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Katherine and Michael meet at a New Year's Eve party. They're attracted to each other, they grow to love each other. And once they've decided their love is forever, they make love.
It's the beginning of an intense and exclusive relationship, with a future all planned. Until Katherine's parents insist that she and Michael put their love to the test with a summer apart...
Forever is written for an older age group than Judy Blume's other novels for children. It caused a storm of controversy when it was first published because of its explicit sexual content.
It's the beginning of an intense and exclusive relationship, with a future all planned. Until Katherine's parents insist that she and Michael put their love to the test with a summer apart...
Forever is written for an older age group than Judy Blume's other novels for children. It caused a storm of controversy when it was first published because of its explicit sexual content.
178 pages, Paperback
First published January 1, 1975
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Judy Blume
195 books11.5k followersJudy Blume spent her childhood in Elizabeth, New Jersey, making up stories inside her head. She has spent her adult years in many places doing the same thing, only now she writes her stories down on paper. Adults as well as children will recognize such Blume titles as: Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret; Blubber; Just as Long as We're Together; and the five book series about the irrepressible Fudge. She has also written three novels for adults, Summer Sisters; Smart Women; and Wifey, all of them New York Times bestsellers. More than 80 million copies of her books have been sold, and her work has been translated into thirty-one languages. She receives thousands of letters a year from readers of all ages who share their feelings and concerns with her.
Judy received a B.S. in education from New York University in 1961, which named her a Distinguished Alumna in 1996, the same year the American Library Association honored her with the Margaret A. Edwards Award for Lifetime Achievement. Other recognitions include the Library of Congress Living Legends Award and the 2004 National Book Foundation's Medal for Distinguished Contribution to American Letters.
She is the founder and trustee of The Kids Fund, a charitable and educational foundation. She serves on the boards of the Author's Guild; the Society of Children's Book Writers and Illustrators; the Key West Literary Seminar; and the National Coalition Against Censorship.
Judy is a longtime advocate of intellectual freedom. Finding herself at the center of an organized book banning campaign in the 1980's she began to reach out to other writers, as well as teachers and librarians, who were under fire. Since then, she has worked tirelessly with the National Coalition Against Censorship to protect the freedom to read. She is the editor of Places I Never Meant To Be, Original Stories by Censored Writers.
Judy has completed a series of four chapter books -- The Pain & the Great One -- illustrated by New Yorker cartoonist James Stevenson. She has co-written and produced a film adaptation of her book Tiger Eyes, and is currently writing a new novel.
Judy and her husband George Cooper live on islands up and down the east coast. They have three grown children and one grandchild.
Judy received a B.S. in education from New York University in 1961, which named her a Distinguished Alumna in 1996, the same year the American Library Association honored her with the Margaret A. Edwards Award for Lifetime Achievement. Other recognitions include the Library of Congress Living Legends Award and the 2004 National Book Foundation's Medal for Distinguished Contribution to American Letters.
She is the founder and trustee of The Kids Fund, a charitable and educational foundation. She serves on the boards of the Author's Guild; the Society of Children's Book Writers and Illustrators; the Key West Literary Seminar; and the National Coalition Against Censorship.
Judy is a longtime advocate of intellectual freedom. Finding herself at the center of an organized book banning campaign in the 1980's she began to reach out to other writers, as well as teachers and librarians, who were under fire. Since then, she has worked tirelessly with the National Coalition Against Censorship to protect the freedom to read. She is the editor of Places I Never Meant To Be, Original Stories by Censored Writers.
Judy has completed a series of four chapter books -- The Pain & the Great One -- illustrated by New Yorker cartoonist James Stevenson. She has co-written and produced a film adaptation of her book Tiger Eyes, and is currently writing a new novel.
Judy and her husband George Cooper live on islands up and down the east coast. They have three grown children and one grandchild.
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April 25, 2023
A word of warning: This review will be conducted from a soapbox¹ (which, if you think about it, is a completely baffling expression).
But let's have the author, Judy Blume of Are You There, God? It's Me, Margaret fame speak for herself:
A teenage girl decides to give birth not because abortion is viewed as a horrible thing to do but because that is her choice (yes, the real pro-choice stand, unlike what the conservative media paint it these days, trying to equate choice and murder in the eyes of the public). And no one is ashamed of having sex (which would undoubtedly lead to the dreaded slut-shaming) because sex is viewed as part of a normal life, like I firmly believe it should be.
Well, guess what? I happen to believe that sex needs to be two things: (1) consensual, and (2) enjoyable for everyone involved. As long as these criteria are fulfilled, I don't have a problem with it, and I hope society would eventually come to peace with not only it but the ability and the right of people involved to make informed and responsible choices about it. And that someday the materials that are deemed unacceptable to young people would be the one with graphic violence and not the ones with peaceful sex. And that teenage experimenting, if done responsibly, is okay - because why wouldn't it be?
And therefore I gladly give this Judy Blume book 4 stars.
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Also posted on my blog.
¹ As one would expect from a young feminist gynecologist, of course.Let's cut to the chase: This book is about a realistically intense relationship between Kath and Michael, two teenagers in the 1970s. They meet, fall in love with a speed only teens are capable of, he wants to sleep with her, she is reluctant, eventually they do it, they are both into it, she (responsibly) gets birth control. And nothing tragic happens to them even though they have sex. And they are not 'destined for each other' or 'soulmates' or any of those crap excuses that books present now every time teens decide to have sex. And even more, their relationship does not survive a brief separation. And it's treated as something perfectly normal. And this is why I love it.
But let's have the author, Judy Blume of Are You There, God? It's Me, Margaret fame speak for herself:
"This book was first published in 1975. My daughter Randy asked for a story about two nice kids who have sex without either of them having to die. She had read several novels about teenagers in love. If they had sex the girl was always punished—an unplanned pregnancy, a hasty trip to a relative in another state, a grisly abortion (illegal in the U.S. until the 1970's), sometimes even death. Lies. Secrets. At least one life ruined. Girls in these books had no sexual feelings and boys had no feelings other than sexual. Neither took responsibility for their actions. I wanted to present another kind of story—one in which two seniors in high school fall in love, decide together to have sex, and act responsibly."And guess what - there are many conversations about sex with the blissful conviction of that time that sexual repression and double standards and the battles over birth control and abortion are finally over and common sense prevails. Now fast-forward to the 21st century to see what unnecessary and charged emotions are still flung about when these simple things are concerned - it's like we took quite a few gigantic steps backwards, and that makes me really sad. Because it's not the world I'd like to leave behind for my future hypothetical daughter.
"It's up to you to decide what's right and what's wrong ... I'm not going to tell you to go ahead but I'm not going to forbid it either. It's too late for any of that. I expect you to handle it with a sense of responsibility though ... either way."The parents and grandparents discuss sex with the teens and make it clear that they'd rather have them do it under their roof than somewhere else in the unsafe fashion. Parents advise kids about sex but do not cross the boundaries in explicitly forbidding anything. Birth control is accessible and is viewed as a resposible choice, and Planned Parenthood helps Katherine make that choice (you know, the same clinics that cause politicians' rage-fueled speeches about them 'killin' babies' - and yet, from what I have seen in real world, supplying endless women with excellent prenatal care, helping bring healthy happy babies into this word. How 'bout that?).
A teenage girl decides to give birth not because abortion is viewed as a horrible thing to do but because that is her choice (yes, the real pro-choice stand, unlike what the conservative media paint it these days, trying to equate choice and murder in the eyes of the public). And no one is ashamed of having sex (which would undoubtedly lead to the dreaded slut-shaming) because sex is viewed as part of a normal life, like I firmly believe it should be.
"Just be careful ... that's my only advice."We as a society keep putting sex on an unnecessary pedestal. We keep shaming girls for having sex. We have political leaders who are outraged at having society cover the cost of birth control as to them it means condoning women having sex and - God forbid! - enjoying it. There are so many people warring against birth control and abortion because there should be 'consequences' to daring to have sex! And, of course, in literature aimed at young people sex is only permitted if it's true love, nothing less.
"Of what?"
"Pregnancy."
"Grandma!"
"And venereal disease."
"Really ... "
"Does it embarrass you to talk about it?"
"No, but ... "
"It shouldn't."
Well, guess what? I happen to believe that sex needs to be two things: (1) consensual, and (2) enjoyable for everyone involved. As long as these criteria are fulfilled, I don't have a problem with it, and I hope society would eventually come to peace with not only it but the ability and the right of people involved to make informed and responsible choices about it. And that someday the materials that are deemed unacceptable to young people would be the one with graphic violence and not the ones with peaceful sex. And that teenage experimenting, if done responsibly, is okay - because why wouldn't it be?
"That's not a bad word ... hate and war are bad words but fuck isn't."And that it's perfectly okay to not find your soulmate and the 'perfect one' in the 'Twilight'-like fashion, and it's nothing to frown upon. And it's okay to have sex when you are in love, and it's okay to not have that love last forever.
And therefore I gladly give this Judy Blume book 4 stars.
"I wanted to tell him that I will never be sorry for loving him. That in a way I still do--that maybe I always will. I'll never regret one single thing we did together because what we had was very special. Maybe if we were ten years older it would have worked out differently. Maybe. I think it's just that I'm not ready for forever."
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Also posted on my blog.
December 4, 2013
Edit on 12/11/2011: To anyone who's got a problem with this review:
1) Yes, I know that this book was a big deal when it was released. That doesn't mean that when I read it in this day and age that I'm going to judge it by it's historical significance--I definitely appreciate it but it doesn't change the fact that I read it when I did and didn't like it and I don't want to have to constantly justify myself for that. (Let's ignore the fact that that's precisely what I'm doing with this edit. Right.)
2) I know that this book's supposed to be an accurate portrayal of love at the age of seventeen and for that I should cut it some slack, but I just recently turned eighteen and I've got a good idea of what most teenagers think love to be, and what I think it's supposed to be, and with all that in mind I can't, for the life of me, abide the portrayal of love in this book. I did not enjoy reading it at all and it annoyed the bajeezus out of me, and nothing will change that.
3) Guys might go around naming their underparts but I'm always going to think that's disgusting.
4) I HATE ELLIPSES AND ANY BOOK THAT HAS FIFTEEN ELLIPSES PER PAGE WILL AUTOMATICALLY CARVE IT'S PLACE IN MY HATED-THIS-BOOK LIST.
*takes deep breath* Okay, yeah, that's it.
Okay, yeah, so maybe I should explain the 1 star—if you’ve been following my reviews, you’ll know that I rarely give books a 1 star rating…I’m not that hard to please as a reader, and I hate giving one of Judy Blume’s books 1 star (I used to love her MG books as kid, from what I can recall anyway). But the thing is, I don’t think there was a SINGLE redeeming factor in this book for me. Let me list a brief list of the reasons:
1) THE WRITINGGG. It was so…bland and unimaginative, and it was really hard to picture the scenes sometimes. And the dialogue could be VERY corny at times. But maybe what bothered me most was the CONSTANT use of ellipses… I mean, you know…ellipses have this really annoying effect…they make the reader keep taking pauses…and in this book there was one in practically EVERY FRIGGIN’ SENTENCE OMG. Argggggg.
2) The characters. I didn’t give a shizz about a single one of them, NOT ONE. Kath was boooooooring and Michael was the horniest male love interest of all time. I mean, yeah, teens are all lusty and hormonal and blah blah blah (Hi! 17-year-old speaking here!), but this man takes it to a whole new level. Which brings me to…
3) I wasn’t particularly impressed with love’s portrayal in this book. I mean, to me, there was zilch chemistry between the characters and even so, it felt to me like Kath was more into screwing Michael because he wanted it so bad rather than her own desire to do it. The sex in this book is also REALLY explicit. I’m no prude, but come on, all that describing takes away all the romance in the scene. Oh and, Michael calls his you-know-what RALPH. Dude. Seriously!
I get why this book is important for the time it was written in—that didn’t stop me from blitzing through it to finally get over with it. Thankfully, it’s super short and I won it in a contest, so I’m not that miffed. I’m not saying no one should read this book cause it’s aaaaawfulll—a lot of people seem to really like it—but it just wasn’t for me.
1) Yes, I know that this book was a big deal when it was released. That doesn't mean that when I read it in this day and age that I'm going to judge it by it's historical significance--I definitely appreciate it but it doesn't change the fact that I read it when I did and didn't like it and I don't want to have to constantly justify myself for that. (Let's ignore the fact that that's precisely what I'm doing with this edit. Right.)
2) I know that this book's supposed to be an accurate portrayal of love at the age of seventeen and for that I should cut it some slack, but I just recently turned eighteen and I've got a good idea of what most teenagers think love to be, and what I think it's supposed to be, and with all that in mind I can't, for the life of me, abide the portrayal of love in this book. I did not enjoy reading it at all and it annoyed the bajeezus out of me, and nothing will change that.
3) Guys might go around naming their underparts but I'm always going to think that's disgusting.
4) I HATE ELLIPSES AND ANY BOOK THAT HAS FIFTEEN ELLIPSES PER PAGE WILL AUTOMATICALLY CARVE IT'S PLACE IN MY HATED-THIS-BOOK LIST.
*takes deep breath* Okay, yeah, that's it.
Okay, yeah, so maybe I should explain the 1 star—if you’ve been following my reviews, you’ll know that I rarely give books a 1 star rating…I’m not that hard to please as a reader, and I hate giving one of Judy Blume’s books 1 star (I used to love her MG books as kid, from what I can recall anyway). But the thing is, I don’t think there was a SINGLE redeeming factor in this book for me. Let me list a brief list of the reasons:
1) THE WRITINGGG. It was so…bland and unimaginative, and it was really hard to picture the scenes sometimes. And the dialogue could be VERY corny at times. But maybe what bothered me most was the CONSTANT use of ellipses… I mean, you know…ellipses have this really annoying effect…they make the reader keep taking pauses…and in this book there was one in practically EVERY FRIGGIN’ SENTENCE OMG. Argggggg.
2) The characters. I didn’t give a shizz about a single one of them, NOT ONE. Kath was boooooooring and Michael was the horniest male love interest of all time. I mean, yeah, teens are all lusty and hormonal and blah blah blah (Hi! 17-year-old speaking here!), but this man takes it to a whole new level. Which brings me to…
3) I wasn’t particularly impressed with love’s portrayal in this book. I mean, to me, there was zilch chemistry between the characters and even so, it felt to me like Kath was more into screwing Michael because he wanted it so bad rather than her own desire to do it. The sex in this book is also REALLY explicit. I’m no prude, but come on, all that describing takes away all the romance in the scene. Oh and, Michael calls his you-know-what RALPH. Dude. Seriously!
I get why this book is important for the time it was written in—that didn’t stop me from blitzing through it to finally get over with it. Thankfully, it’s super short and I won it in a contest, so I’m not that miffed. I’m not saying no one should read this book cause it’s aaaaawfulll—a lot of people seem to really like it—but it just wasn’t for me.
August 4, 2021
The thing about Forever is that I didn’t read it. Boys didn’t read any of this, and do you know what happened next? What happened is we were terrible at sex. My sex ed was, I would trace ladies from comic books and then I would draw nipples and bushes on them. I sold them to my classmates. Here’s the exact picture I used to trace:
This is the White Queen, a character who's been around for decades and never stopped dressing like this. Imagine someone drawing her, like, "Here's my new character!" and everyone at a whole-ass company is like yep, looks legit, ship it to ten-year-olds. No, I'm so sorry, I don't have any of my tracings to scan here. I sold them and spent the money on candy cigarettes.
Judy Blume is the Prometheus of puberty. She’s all, “These poor mortals must have fire, though it cost me everything!" except instead of fire it’s handjobs and instead of an eagle ripping her guts out it’s some PTA asshole trying to kick her out of the library every day for the rest of her life. Did you know that’s still happening? She’s one of the most challenged authors of the 21st century. These mothers and their undying need to think their daughters aren’t fucking as much as they did.
they’re all fucking
And so here we are, we teenage boys alone under the covers with our comic books, you teenage girls alone with Judy Blume, who’s saying things like “Some of your boyfriends are gay!" Can you believe she was talking about that in 1975? My wife’s first, like, five boyfriends were gay. I had a theory that gay boyfriends are a win for everyone: you provide cover, they provide a nice guy who doesn’t push you sexually. My wife was like fuck your theory, I was horny.
Not all the boyfriends are gay and Katherine is going to have sex in this book. She’s going to fuck Michael and his penis, whose name is literally Ralph, and they’re all going to be very serious. But will it be….Forever? My wife’s sixth boyfriend was me, so who knows?
Percentage of women who:
- Made a playlist for their first times: 9% and this is the most adorable thing I’ve ever heard, I hope it was all just Closer by NIN
- Remember the exact date: 50% I call bullshit on this, I don't even remember the year
- Wish they’d waited longer: 22% &
- Used a condom: 76% (ha, look at the math on these two stats)
- Said it hurt: 51%
- Were in love with their partner: 49%
- Were not really in love with their partner but insisted that they were to a stranger giving a survey: 47%
Source
Amanda Palmer has this song called Judy Blume that’s so good, holy shit - thank you forever, El and Alicia, for cluing me in to this. Palmer goes,
You told me things that nobody around me would tell
That was the summer that everyone touched me at once
One day they ignored me, the next, they were all down my pants
But you were in bed with me, safe, before anyone else
You opened beside me and held me when I needed help
You and me lying together at night, my hero
You've been inside me forever, Judy Blume
Palmer’s my age now and she’s still having this private conversation with Judy Blume, the Prometheus of puberty, and what a gift that is. What an extraordinarily important thing Blume’s done. I personally am not still in conversation with the White Queen up there. That wasn’t a lifelong relationship. I’m still just muddling around alone here, trying to be less terrible at sex.
Percentage of dudes who:
- Name their dicks: 73%
- Made an absolute bollocks of their first time either by cumming before they even get near their partner (that happens in this book) or by not getting it up (also happens) or by not using protection and knocking her up and now she has to give the kid up for adoption (also happens, but not before some fat shaming that I could have done without): 1%, it was just me, all the other guys were awesome at sex right out the gate. It was all the comic book lady tracing that ruined me. If only I’d been doing normal, healthy teenager stuff, like...naming my penis? Do dudes actually do that? Now I’ve finally read this book, but I feel like it’s too late for names. Did your first boyfriend name his dick? Michael names his "Ralph." That’s not even a good name for a person. What the fuck, Michael.
This is the White Queen, a character who's been around for decades and never stopped dressing like this. Imagine someone drawing her, like, "Here's my new character!" and everyone at a whole-ass company is like yep, looks legit, ship it to ten-year-olds. No, I'm so sorry, I don't have any of my tracings to scan here. I sold them and spent the money on candy cigarettes.
Judy Blume is the Prometheus of puberty. She’s all, “These poor mortals must have fire, though it cost me everything!" except instead of fire it’s handjobs and instead of an eagle ripping her guts out it’s some PTA asshole trying to kick her out of the library every day for the rest of her life. Did you know that’s still happening? She’s one of the most challenged authors of the 21st century. These mothers and their undying need to think their daughters aren’t fucking as much as they did.
they’re all fucking
And so here we are, we teenage boys alone under the covers with our comic books, you teenage girls alone with Judy Blume, who’s saying things like “Some of your boyfriends are gay!" Can you believe she was talking about that in 1975? My wife’s first, like, five boyfriends were gay. I had a theory that gay boyfriends are a win for everyone: you provide cover, they provide a nice guy who doesn’t push you sexually. My wife was like fuck your theory, I was horny.
Not all the boyfriends are gay and Katherine is going to have sex in this book. She’s going to fuck Michael and his penis, whose name is literally Ralph, and they’re all going to be very serious. But will it be….Forever? My wife’s sixth boyfriend was me, so who knows?
Percentage of women who:
- Made a playlist for their first times: 9% and this is the most adorable thing I’ve ever heard, I hope it was all just Closer by NIN
- Remember the exact date: 50% I call bullshit on this, I don't even remember the year
- Wish they’d waited longer: 22% &
- Used a condom: 76% (ha, look at the math on these two stats)
- Said it hurt: 51%
- Were in love with their partner: 49%
- Were not really in love with their partner but insisted that they were to a stranger giving a survey: 47%
Source
Amanda Palmer has this song called Judy Blume that’s so good, holy shit - thank you forever, El and Alicia, for cluing me in to this. Palmer goes,
You told me things that nobody around me would tell
That was the summer that everyone touched me at once
One day they ignored me, the next, they were all down my pants
But you were in bed with me, safe, before anyone else
You opened beside me and held me when I needed help
You and me lying together at night, my hero
You've been inside me forever, Judy Blume
Palmer’s my age now and she’s still having this private conversation with Judy Blume, the Prometheus of puberty, and what a gift that is. What an extraordinarily important thing Blume’s done. I personally am not still in conversation with the White Queen up there. That wasn’t a lifelong relationship. I’m still just muddling around alone here, trying to be less terrible at sex.
Percentage of dudes who:
- Name their dicks: 73%
- Made an absolute bollocks of their first time either by cumming before they even get near their partner (that happens in this book) or by not getting it up (also happens) or by not using protection and knocking her up and now she has to give the kid up for adoption (also happens, but not before some fat shaming that I could have done without): 1%, it was just me, all the other guys were awesome at sex right out the gate. It was all the comic book lady tracing that ruined me. If only I’d been doing normal, healthy teenager stuff, like...naming my penis? Do dudes actually do that? Now I’ve finally read this book, but I feel like it’s too late for names. Did your first boyfriend name his dick? Michael names his "Ralph." That’s not even a good name for a person. What the fuck, Michael.
October 29, 2019
they have sex. it does not last forever. at the end, she is a bitch.
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December 8, 2011
What do you do when the "love of your life"....isn't? Forever answers that question with a simple and unflinching response; you move on.
Kath and Michael meet at a party and quickly fall into a very physical romance. After roughly a few months, Kath finally gets up the courage to have sex with Michael, believing she is in love and that she and Michael will last forever. Michael too feels he and Kath are meant to be, so they flounder along in their romance, discovering each others' bodies and holding onto their assertions that they will prove everyone wrong and stand the test of time. I've seen a lot of reviewers complain about many things in this book, with most of those complaints revolving around the behavior of Kath and Michael. I'm going to address the ones I find most amusing, in no particular order.
1. "They talk about how in love they are, but they don't even know each other very well!"
Is this not how the majority of teens think and behave? How many times have you heard a teenage girl utter words of total devotion regarding a boy she's never even spoken to? A teenager is essentially a child trapped in an almost-adult body. Their brains haven't caught up with their bodies, and their bodies are essentially out-of-control. The fact that these two haven't known each other very long and barely know each other at all (even though they think they do) was purposeful. Blume was trying to get across the very simple fact that young love isn't often very deep. In fact, I find it rather silly when I read about a girl who is 16 or 17 and in the midst of some great love affair for the ages. It's silly.
2. "Michael is such a horndog and pressures Kath into having sex."
And? I really don't understand this complaint about the book since Michael is a 17-year-old boy! It's called reality, ladies. Grown men are horndogs. 17-year-old boys, however, are more like hornmonsters. Seriously, fill a bag up with nothing but hormones, give it teeth, douse it in gasoline and set it on fire. That is a teenage boy.
As far as him "pressuring" Kath into having sex, that is also fairly realistic. If I started making out with a guy, let him up my shirt and down my pants, even going so far as to play with "Ralph" (we'll get to that in a moment), then pulled away (not for the first time) to utter (again) how I wasn't ready....I would not only expect some whining, I'd expect a guy to be a little angry. I'm not saying this is acceptable behavior, and if you asked most guys they'd tell you that they're more than willing to wait as long as they have to. This does not, however, mean they won't whine when they get so close only to be rebuffed. By the time they've gotten down a girl's pants, they're so revved up that they can only see one thing. Imagine you're in the desert and you're parched, thisclose to dying of thirst. You see an oasis ahead of you! Your prayers have been answered! You run, stumble, crawl to that cold, life-giving fluid as quickly as you can only for someone to yank it away and say, "Nope, sorry, not ready yet." For guys, this is pretty close to the equivalent. Especially teen guys. I'm not trying to unfairly pigeonhole anyone here, and I know there's more to teen guys than just sex. I'm merely saying it's usually a very large part of their everyday thoughts. Michael didn't force Kath to have sex with him, she did "relent", but she had wanted to relent since the beginning. When they finally had sex, it was merely because Kath didn't chicken out again.
3. "Kath made her whole life about Michael! It was stupid!"
Yes, it was stupid. And again, it was purposeful. I made my entire life about a boy when I was a teenager. I'm willing to bet you did, as well. If you didn't, you're the exception, not the norm. For girls in particular, sex often fosters a fake sentiment, attaching us to our "first" like he's some sort of Greek god on whom our very existence depends. I actually witnessed this in Kath. She was enamored with Michael before they had sex, but afterwards she was almost psychotically obsessed with him.
4. "Kath said she loved Michael, but after a few weeks away from him, she just willingly gave him up."
Again, you're missing a very important point. The point. That, at 17, you may not be ready for "forever". That what a teenage girl might think is an everlasting love might look different once a few other factors come into play. In the beginning, Kath and Michael were insulated from the outside world. They hadn't had to go out into it yet. When Kath did, she met someone else and realized that Michael wasn't the only person in the world she could have a relationship with. Once that sunk in, she started to wonder if she really did love him at all. Then she started to think that maybe, just maybe, it was OK to have someone for a little while, then move on with your life. This is a lesson most teenagers do eventually learn. It's not easy, but it's often necessary.
5. "Michael named his penis 'Ralph'. That is so disgusting!"
Double standard much? I've seen women give their breasts and/or vaginas names and that's perfectly OK, but a guy giving his penis a name is somehow disgusting? OK, so let's say you think girls who name their body parts are disgusting, as well. To you I say ---- lighten up. Life is too short to find fault with something so completely innocuous. So he named his penis, what guy hasn't, at least jokingly, called his penis by a name? Sometimes a girlfriend names it! *Gasp*
Seriously, people, if this is one of the reasons you dislike this book, I will gladly hand you two quarters; one so you can go buy yourself a clue and the other so you can hire someone to pull that rod out of your ass. Phallus naming is not new, it's not rare, and it can oftentimes be hilarious.
But the thing I really don't understand is how this part of the book has come to be used as proof of how bad the book is. It's realistic. I guess if you're not a huge fan of reality, however, it could be a bit problematic. Just try and forgive Ms. Blume's audacity.
6. "The sex scenes were too descriptive, I don't want my daughters reading this trash."
This is a pretty common sentiment, unfortunately. I say it's unfortunate because I believe young girls should be as informed as possible regarding sex long before they begin to seriously consider participating in it. This book is not pornographic, it's descriptive. It doesn't glorify the act of sex, it presents it in a rather realistic light. Almost painfully realistic at times. Kath expresses disappointment about her first time. She had been expecting it to be perfect. No one's first time is ever perfect. Anyone who tells you their first time was perfect is probably lying to you. It's awkward, embarrassing, and uncomfortable. Furthermore, women who refer to sex scenes as "trash" (or any other common noun expressing distaste) are usually uncomfortable with the topic in general, not just as it relates to teenagers. As a society, we've spent far too many years ashamed of our bodies and terrified of sex. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the act itself, it's merely been demonized and perverted beyond the point of recognition by insecure people. So if you don't want your children reading something like this, that's fine. Just remember how ashamed you felt the first time you ever touched a penis (or yourself) and ask yourself if those feelings of shame were at all right or justified. Why should anyone feel ashamed of sex? Only human beings could take something as wonderful and necessary as sexual intercourse and turn it into something shameful and filthy.
This is not a fantasy. There aren't any sparkly metrosexual vampires guarding the heroine's virtue while simultaneously watching her sleep. This is a book about two 17-year-olds who meet, like each other, hook up, fall prey to their misguided, immature conceptions of what love is, then have to deal with what their relationship is once faced with reality. It's shallow, yes, because teens are usually pretty shallow. It's sexual, again, because teens are pretty sexual. It's also over rather quickly...like the majority of teenage relationships.
Kath and Michael meet at a party and quickly fall into a very physical romance. After roughly a few months, Kath finally gets up the courage to have sex with Michael, believing she is in love and that she and Michael will last forever. Michael too feels he and Kath are meant to be, so they flounder along in their romance, discovering each others' bodies and holding onto their assertions that they will prove everyone wrong and stand the test of time. I've seen a lot of reviewers complain about many things in this book, with most of those complaints revolving around the behavior of Kath and Michael. I'm going to address the ones I find most amusing, in no particular order.
1. "They talk about how in love they are, but they don't even know each other very well!"
Is this not how the majority of teens think and behave? How many times have you heard a teenage girl utter words of total devotion regarding a boy she's never even spoken to? A teenager is essentially a child trapped in an almost-adult body. Their brains haven't caught up with their bodies, and their bodies are essentially out-of-control. The fact that these two haven't known each other very long and barely know each other at all (even though they think they do) was purposeful. Blume was trying to get across the very simple fact that young love isn't often very deep. In fact, I find it rather silly when I read about a girl who is 16 or 17 and in the midst of some great love affair for the ages. It's silly.
2. "Michael is such a horndog and pressures Kath into having sex."
And? I really don't understand this complaint about the book since Michael is a 17-year-old boy! It's called reality, ladies. Grown men are horndogs. 17-year-old boys, however, are more like hornmonsters. Seriously, fill a bag up with nothing but hormones, give it teeth, douse it in gasoline and set it on fire. That is a teenage boy.
As far as him "pressuring" Kath into having sex, that is also fairly realistic. If I started making out with a guy, let him up my shirt and down my pants, even going so far as to play with "Ralph" (we'll get to that in a moment), then pulled away (not for the first time) to utter (again) how I wasn't ready....I would not only expect some whining, I'd expect a guy to be a little angry. I'm not saying this is acceptable behavior, and if you asked most guys they'd tell you that they're more than willing to wait as long as they have to. This does not, however, mean they won't whine when they get so close only to be rebuffed. By the time they've gotten down a girl's pants, they're so revved up that they can only see one thing. Imagine you're in the desert and you're parched, thisclose to dying of thirst. You see an oasis ahead of you! Your prayers have been answered! You run, stumble, crawl to that cold, life-giving fluid as quickly as you can only for someone to yank it away and say, "Nope, sorry, not ready yet." For guys, this is pretty close to the equivalent. Especially teen guys. I'm not trying to unfairly pigeonhole anyone here, and I know there's more to teen guys than just sex. I'm merely saying it's usually a very large part of their everyday thoughts. Michael didn't force Kath to have sex with him, she did "relent", but she had wanted to relent since the beginning. When they finally had sex, it was merely because Kath didn't chicken out again.
3. "Kath made her whole life about Michael! It was stupid!"
Yes, it was stupid. And again, it was purposeful. I made my entire life about a boy when I was a teenager. I'm willing to bet you did, as well. If you didn't, you're the exception, not the norm. For girls in particular, sex often fosters a fake sentiment, attaching us to our "first" like he's some sort of Greek god on whom our very existence depends. I actually witnessed this in Kath. She was enamored with Michael before they had sex, but afterwards she was almost psychotically obsessed with him.
4. "Kath said she loved Michael, but after a few weeks away from him, she just willingly gave him up."
Again, you're missing a very important point. The point. That, at 17, you may not be ready for "forever". That what a teenage girl might think is an everlasting love might look different once a few other factors come into play. In the beginning, Kath and Michael were insulated from the outside world. They hadn't had to go out into it yet. When Kath did, she met someone else and realized that Michael wasn't the only person in the world she could have a relationship with. Once that sunk in, she started to wonder if she really did love him at all. Then she started to think that maybe, just maybe, it was OK to have someone for a little while, then move on with your life. This is a lesson most teenagers do eventually learn. It's not easy, but it's often necessary.
5. "Michael named his penis 'Ralph'. That is so disgusting!"
Double standard much? I've seen women give their breasts and/or vaginas names and that's perfectly OK, but a guy giving his penis a name is somehow disgusting? OK, so let's say you think girls who name their body parts are disgusting, as well. To you I say ---- lighten up. Life is too short to find fault with something so completely innocuous. So he named his penis, what guy hasn't, at least jokingly, called his penis by a name? Sometimes a girlfriend names it! *Gasp*
Seriously, people, if this is one of the reasons you dislike this book, I will gladly hand you two quarters; one so you can go buy yourself a clue and the other so you can hire someone to pull that rod out of your ass. Phallus naming is not new, it's not rare, and it can oftentimes be hilarious.
But the thing I really don't understand is how this part of the book has come to be used as proof of how bad the book is. It's realistic. I guess if you're not a huge fan of reality, however, it could be a bit problematic. Just try and forgive Ms. Blume's audacity.
6. "The sex scenes were too descriptive, I don't want my daughters reading this trash."
This is a pretty common sentiment, unfortunately. I say it's unfortunate because I believe young girls should be as informed as possible regarding sex long before they begin to seriously consider participating in it. This book is not pornographic, it's descriptive. It doesn't glorify the act of sex, it presents it in a rather realistic light. Almost painfully realistic at times. Kath expresses disappointment about her first time. She had been expecting it to be perfect. No one's first time is ever perfect. Anyone who tells you their first time was perfect is probably lying to you. It's awkward, embarrassing, and uncomfortable. Furthermore, women who refer to sex scenes as "trash" (or any other common noun expressing distaste) are usually uncomfortable with the topic in general, not just as it relates to teenagers. As a society, we've spent far too many years ashamed of our bodies and terrified of sex. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the act itself, it's merely been demonized and perverted beyond the point of recognition by insecure people. So if you don't want your children reading something like this, that's fine. Just remember how ashamed you felt the first time you ever touched a penis (or yourself) and ask yourself if those feelings of shame were at all right or justified. Why should anyone feel ashamed of sex? Only human beings could take something as wonderful and necessary as sexual intercourse and turn it into something shameful and filthy.
This is not a fantasy. There aren't any sparkly metrosexual vampires guarding the heroine's virtue while simultaneously watching her sleep. This is a book about two 17-year-olds who meet, like each other, hook up, fall prey to their misguided, immature conceptions of what love is, then have to deal with what their relationship is once faced with reality. It's shallow, yes, because teens are usually pretty shallow. It's sexual, again, because teens are pretty sexual. It's also over rather quickly...like the majority of teenage relationships.
November 5, 2007
I read this book because I'm attempting to read (or reread) some classic YA books. Now, I'm a so-so fan of Judy Blume, I know she has a lot of die-hards out there. I recently read Everything I Need to Know About Being a Girl I learned from Judy Blume but I guess I was more of a Beverly Cleary kid.
This book is about first loves and first sexual experiences. The story itself was good, but I think Judy Blume left out a lot of details. The boyfriend, Michael, is basically a horn dog who would do anything to try and talk Kath into putting out. Kath is a girl who seems to devote her life to her boyfriend and put him above everything else. Both qualities I really don't like in real people, let alone fictional characters. All in all, I just think the story seemed rushed. There needed to be longer scenes and more details. Take for instance Sybil, the "fat" friend who got pregnant. Now, that's an interesting story in itself, and could have been a longer subplot. But I think poor Sybil only got mentioned in a few paragraphs.
The lesson for any young girl here: If you date a guy who calls his manhood Ralph, run in the opposite direction. ::shudders::
This book is about first loves and first sexual experiences. The story itself was good, but I think Judy Blume left out a lot of details. The boyfriend, Michael, is basically a horn dog who would do anything to try and talk Kath into putting out. Kath is a girl who seems to devote her life to her boyfriend and put him above everything else. Both qualities I really don't like in real people, let alone fictional characters. All in all, I just think the story seemed rushed. There needed to be longer scenes and more details. Take for instance Sybil, the "fat" friend who got pregnant. Now, that's an interesting story in itself, and could have been a longer subplot. But I think poor Sybil only got mentioned in a few paragraphs.
The lesson for any young girl here: If you date a guy who calls his manhood Ralph, run in the opposite direction. ::shudders::
March 18, 2021
Wow, this “retro re-read” project I've taken on with my sister-in-snark, Vanessa, has become borderline INSUFFERABLE.
We had so much enthusiasm, Vanessa and I, as we compiled an informal list of our most decadent, dirty reads, the ones we hid back in the day from the probing eyes of teachers and had covers that were worn from so many adolescent girls' hands.
Once, our inexperienced selves considered these books titilating; as experienced adults I have more likely considered. . . how did this nonsense ever get published?
Our last two, Flowers in the Attic and Fear of Flying were so over-the-top awful, you could only assume that a publishing house was pushing the envelope, hoping the sex would sell (it did, in both cases), but this one, Forever, provokes the most head-scratching confusion of the bunch.
I know, from much personal experience, that Judy Blume knows how to write, knows how to develop characters, and knows how to write dialogue.
So what happened here? Yes, there are sex scenes and sexual information in this story that appeared in the dark ages of 1975 that caused many a teen girl to reach out her hand in quiet desperation, and there's a bit of an education to be gained here for the average adolescent.
But, good God, this was boring. Bor-ing. And, the book's not only boring; it contained zero character development, zero plot points of interest and dialogue that sounded like it was being read by the characters from a teleprompter.
This entire book reads like a pamphlet from Parent Parenthood rather than a story.
Three stars for teaching young women about the importance of birth control.
We had so much enthusiasm, Vanessa and I, as we compiled an informal list of our most decadent, dirty reads, the ones we hid back in the day from the probing eyes of teachers and had covers that were worn from so many adolescent girls' hands.
Once, our inexperienced selves considered these books titilating; as experienced adults I have more likely considered. . . how did this nonsense ever get published?
Our last two, Flowers in the Attic and Fear of Flying were so over-the-top awful, you could only assume that a publishing house was pushing the envelope, hoping the sex would sell (it did, in both cases), but this one, Forever, provokes the most head-scratching confusion of the bunch.
I know, from much personal experience, that Judy Blume knows how to write, knows how to develop characters, and knows how to write dialogue.
So what happened here? Yes, there are sex scenes and sexual information in this story that appeared in the dark ages of 1975 that caused many a teen girl to reach out her hand in quiet desperation, and there's a bit of an education to be gained here for the average adolescent.
But, good God, this was boring. Bor-ing. And, the book's not only boring; it contained zero character development, zero plot points of interest and dialogue that sounded like it was being read by the characters from a teleprompter.
This entire book reads like a pamphlet from Parent Parenthood rather than a story.
Three stars for teaching young women about the importance of birth control.
January 5, 2020
2.5 stars
This book is to the girls of the 70s what American Girl's "The Keeping and Caring of You" is to girls from the 90s. It's a very short, dry story of these two teens exploring sex, and it reads more like a zeitgeist piece than an evergreen how-to guide. I was mainly interested in how teenagers talked to their partners and the social environment of sex around that time, and evaluating how different the world is today compared to this book was interesting. I don't regret reading this book, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it because although it was a fascinating look back on teens a few decades ago, it was also full of stereotypes and distasteful dialogue and fatphobia and the male love interest pressuring the main character to do more.
(AND THE ELLIPSES!!! WHY . . . DID EVERY OTHER SENTENCE . . . HAVE ELLIPSES . . . ? INCLUDING THE TITLE . . . ?)
This book is to the girls of the 70s what American Girl's "The Keeping and Caring of You" is to girls from the 90s. It's a very short, dry story of these two teens exploring sex, and it reads more like a zeitgeist piece than an evergreen how-to guide. I was mainly interested in how teenagers talked to their partners and the social environment of sex around that time, and evaluating how different the world is today compared to this book was interesting. I don't regret reading this book, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it because although it was a fascinating look back on teens a few decades ago, it was also full of stereotypes and distasteful dialogue and fatphobia and the male love interest pressuring the main character to do more.
(AND THE ELLIPSES!!! WHY . . . DID EVERY OTHER SENTENCE . . . HAVE ELLIPSES . . . ? INCLUDING THE TITLE . . . ?)
August 23, 2018
Judy Blume has always excelled at writing about issues that are relevant to teens. Her plainspoken characters dealing with everyday contemporary topics offer relatable reads that get right to the heart of the matter. Here she takes the reader into that first real relationship, that first love, and that first sexual experience.
While some say there is no plot or character development in this novel, I find that to be Blume’s point; she perfectly illustrates the shallowness of most teen relationships. There is no story to follow because there is no substance in the relationship. Although the carefree lovers would disagree, there isn’t depth or breadth to the relationship; you can’t get to know a person when you only explore your mutual physical interest in each other. Michael and Katherine epitomize teenage lust in all senses –physical, psychological, and emotional.
I enjoyed re-reading this classic from my teen years. I suspect I am rating this higher than my younger self might have because I can see and appreciate the lessons Blume is trying to impart. I do remember enjoying it as a teen, although most likely for more immature reasons!
Does it stand the test of time? Would today’s teens find relevance in the story? Yes, I think so. There are a few dated references, but I think teens (especially females) would enjoy reading this tale of first love. Hopefully they’re savvy enough to pick up Blume’s inferred lessons.
While some say there is no plot or character development in this novel, I find that to be Blume’s point; she perfectly illustrates the shallowness of most teen relationships. There is no story to follow because there is no substance in the relationship. Although the carefree lovers would disagree, there isn’t depth or breadth to the relationship; you can’t get to know a person when you only explore your mutual physical interest in each other. Michael and Katherine epitomize teenage lust in all senses –physical, psychological, and emotional.
I enjoyed re-reading this classic from my teen years. I suspect I am rating this higher than my younger self might have because I can see and appreciate the lessons Blume is trying to impart. I do remember enjoying it as a teen, although most likely for more immature reasons!
Does it stand the test of time? Would today’s teens find relevance in the story? Yes, I think so. There are a few dated references, but I think teens (especially females) would enjoy reading this tale of first love. Hopefully they’re savvy enough to pick up Blume’s inferred lessons.
June 27, 2016
How have I not read this sooner? I am almost 40 and only finished this today! Better late than never. I consider this book to be an education, therefore the first thing I was impressed with, with my edition being from 2005, was the author's entry at the beginning covering the absolutely essential updated requirements for safe and healthy sexual responsibility.
This was an easy read, a nice coming of age story, set in the mid seventies. Our protagonist, Katherine was a very sensible 17 year old, whom I think had it quite easy as she did not fall too hard! Or perhaps my memories were a tad different?! I really liked one of her observations where she was commenting on the healthy relationships of her parents and grandparents, knowing she was privy to a good foundation in having a good example to follow with her own relationships. I adored the character of Artie.
I have never read a Judy Blume novel - I know, something went wrong with that - but will absolutely read more. Perhaps this one is not quite for my 12 and 13 year old daughters just yet, I'll pass it on in another couple of years! I took this off their shelf for a change of reading material, and it was an excellent book.
This was an easy read, a nice coming of age story, set in the mid seventies. Our protagonist, Katherine was a very sensible 17 year old, whom I think had it quite easy as she did not fall too hard! Or perhaps my memories were a tad different?! I really liked one of her observations where she was commenting on the healthy relationships of her parents and grandparents, knowing she was privy to a good foundation in having a good example to follow with her own relationships. I adored the character of Artie.
I have never read a Judy Blume novel - I know, something went wrong with that - but will absolutely read more. Perhaps this one is not quite for my 12 and 13 year old daughters just yet, I'll pass it on in another couple of years! I took this off their shelf for a change of reading material, and it was an excellent book.
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January 3, 2012How depressing.
Keeping in mind this book was published in the mid-70s, it's still incredibly relevant to today's society. In fact, apart from the absence of conspicuous technology like cell phones, this could have taken place in the 2000s. It's a timeless story, and the reason it's getting such a low rating from me is purely personal:
Michael reminded me of the ex boyfriend who broke my heart and whom I still have nightmares about years later. A pushy sex-obsessed hormonal teenage boy who pressures Kath into giving up her virginity under the guise of 'forever'. She clearly didn't want to sleep with him even though she was into him and he just kept pushing and pushing until she gave in.
And look, I'm among the first to be critical of teenage forever love. I was burned there as well. I don't necessarily want to read a book that reminds me of the more painful emotional times in my life. I don't necessarily want to read a book that waits until marriage for the sexual relationship to begin. But I was very uncomfortable reading this when the focus was on sexual love and not the intimate emotional connection. And even when you think they're getting emotionally intimate,Kath changes her mind purely because she meets another guy while she's away at summer camp. Sure, she seems a lot like a typical teenager (and I don't mean to insult my teenage friends but you guys are hardly 'typical') and I guess that's the whole point of the book. This situation will have happened to a lot of young people and it will keep on happening to a lot of young people.
And yeah, I totally hate Kath's parents. What right do they have to tell her what to do once she reaches eighteen? They sabotage her relationship and for no reason other than it's her first. They weren't even dating for that long. There was nothing about Michael they didn't like except that maybe he and Kath were sexually active. Breaking up your child's relationship just because they're sexually active isn't going to return your little girl to the untouched virgin she was. She'll just find another guy.
Oh and look - Kath does.
Maybe it just wasn't for me because I'm in my mid-twenties, but by my judgement I think it'd be a wonderful novel for a young teenager beginning to explore relationships and sexuality. Judy Blume certainly never shied away from the important issues and if it weren't for these uber realistic young adult novels coming out in the 70s, I don't know where we'd be now.
Keeping in mind this book was published in the mid-70s, it's still incredibly relevant to today's society. In fact, apart from the absence of conspicuous technology like cell phones, this could have taken place in the 2000s. It's a timeless story, and the reason it's getting such a low rating from me is purely personal:
Michael reminded me of the ex boyfriend who broke my heart and whom I still have nightmares about years later. A pushy sex-obsessed hormonal teenage boy who pressures Kath into giving up her virginity under the guise of 'forever'. She clearly didn't want to sleep with him even though she was into him and he just kept pushing and pushing until she gave in.
And look, I'm among the first to be critical of teenage forever love. I was burned there as well. I don't necessarily want to read a book that reminds me of the more painful emotional times in my life. I don't necessarily want to read a book that waits until marriage for the sexual relationship to begin. But I was very uncomfortable reading this when the focus was on sexual love and not the intimate emotional connection. And even when you think they're getting emotionally intimate,Kath changes her mind purely because she meets another guy while she's away at summer camp. Sure, she seems a lot like a typical teenager (and I don't mean to insult my teenage friends but you guys are hardly 'typical') and I guess that's the whole point of the book. This situation will have happened to a lot of young people and it will keep on happening to a lot of young people.
And yeah, I totally hate Kath's parents. What right do they have to tell her what to do once she reaches eighteen? They sabotage her relationship and for no reason other than it's her first. They weren't even dating for that long. There was nothing about Michael they didn't like except that maybe he and Kath were sexually active. Breaking up your child's relationship just because they're sexually active isn't going to return your little girl to the untouched virgin she was. She'll just find another guy.
Oh and look - Kath does.
Maybe it just wasn't for me because I'm in my mid-twenties, but by my judgement I think it'd be a wonderful novel for a young teenager beginning to explore relationships and sexuality. Judy Blume certainly never shied away from the important issues and if it weren't for these uber realistic young adult novels coming out in the 70s, I don't know where we'd be now.
November 4, 2012
I'm sure this book was very important in its time and was the means by which many girls learned about sex. Unfortunately for Forever, I am not interested in PSA books; I prefer multidimensional characters, a plot, and emotions. Weird, huh?
The lack of the aforementioned qualities is what really drove this book into 1 star territory for me, but there were a few... special qualities that dug its grave even deeper.
1. Ellipses
There were so many ellipses... at the end of basically every sentence spoken in dialogue... probably around ten times in a row, like that's a good idea... my copy even had ellipses on the cover... It was called Forever..., not Forever.
Try reading that for hundreds of pages and see if you like it.
2. Ralph
Michael, the boyfriend of the story, is considerate enough to name his penis Ralph, thus ensuring that the girl (whoops, forgot her name already; this is what happens when characters lack personality) won't be frightened by it. And that I would ralph in my mouth a little bit. The worst part was when they were doing the whole long-distance thing, and Michael wrote her a letter and was all:
I love you and miss you.
Forever,
Michael
P.S. Ralph misses you too.
Farewell, I'm going to run away and try to forget this book now.
The lack of the aforementioned qualities is what really drove this book into 1 star territory for me, but there were a few... special qualities that dug its grave even deeper.
1. Ellipses
There were so many ellipses... at the end of basically every sentence spoken in dialogue... probably around ten times in a row, like that's a good idea... my copy even had ellipses on the cover... It was called Forever..., not Forever.
Try reading that for hundreds of pages and see if you like it.
2. Ralph
Michael, the boyfriend of the story, is considerate enough to name his penis Ralph, thus ensuring that the girl (whoops, forgot her name already; this is what happens when characters lack personality) won't be frightened by it. And that I would ralph in my mouth a little bit. The worst part was when they were doing the whole long-distance thing, and Michael wrote her a letter and was all:
I love you and miss you.
Forever,
Michael
P.S. Ralph misses you too.
Farewell, I'm going to run away and try to forget this book now.
December 26, 2010
I hardly want to admit I read this book... kind of funny that a "censored" book like this managed to make it pretty far around my 5th or 6th grade in Utah (it seems all my friends at the time had read it, were reading it, or were planning to read it). I think I actually made it about half way through the book and just didn't feel like it was something I should be reading (having a strong religious background encouraging waiting until marriage to enjoy sex). It's funny to think back on what I do remember about the book, and to realize that I didn't even "get" some of what was going on.
I would personally not want my children to read this book, and hope they wouldn't want to read it. If my daughter was older and wanted to read it, I would explain to her that I don't think it's a book that would help her make the difficult choice to save herself for that one special person in her future who would hopefully also be saving sexual intimacy for her only.
My rating is heavily influenced by my religious beliefs as a Christian, and member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I think Judy Blume is generally a talented author who really relates with youth.
I would personally not want my children to read this book, and hope they wouldn't want to read it. If my daughter was older and wanted to read it, I would explain to her that I don't think it's a book that would help her make the difficult choice to save herself for that one special person in her future who would hopefully also be saving sexual intimacy for her only.
My rating is heavily influenced by my religious beliefs as a Christian, and member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I think Judy Blume is generally a talented author who really relates with youth.
September 18, 2017
my grandmother sent me this. MY GRANDMOTHER. i'll never not cringe at the thought of this book.
September 28, 2018
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Okay, this one DID. NOT. stand the test of time. Released in 1975, Forever … topped the Banned Books charts due to its direct approach to teenagers having sexual relationships. Sadly it did not weather well. From the abuse of ellipses (and coming from me you KNOW there were a lot, because I myself am a fan), to the terrible writing, to the leading male that would have modern-day girls declaring #metoo, to the girl who wanted “forever” – only to want to mack on the next available dude the moment her true love was not close by, to the bizarro addition of a suicidal friend storyline – all being presented by characters with absolutely ZERO dimension.
Once upon a time this was a coveted little book that many of us weren’t allowed to read – much like Flowers in the Attic. Shelby and I cracked ourselves up last night talking about how these were verboten . . . and yet we were totally stealing the ongoing saga of Lucky Santangelo off our momma’s nightstands like sneaky bastards every chance we got. Back in the day Young Kelly might have found this super smexy. Old Kelly did not and will just go back to what she’s good at . . . .
Even though I failed at Forever …, this remains my favorite reading week of the entire year . . .
Okay, this one DID. NOT. stand the test of time. Released in 1975, Forever … topped the Banned Books charts due to its direct approach to teenagers having sexual relationships. Sadly it did not weather well. From the abuse of ellipses (and coming from me you KNOW there were a lot, because I myself am a fan), to the terrible writing, to the leading male that would have modern-day girls declaring #metoo, to the girl who wanted “forever” – only to want to mack on the next available dude the moment her true love was not close by, to the bizarro addition of a suicidal friend storyline – all being presented by characters with absolutely ZERO dimension.
Once upon a time this was a coveted little book that many of us weren’t allowed to read – much like Flowers in the Attic. Shelby and I cracked ourselves up last night talking about how these were verboten . . . and yet we were totally stealing the ongoing saga of Lucky Santangelo off our momma’s nightstands like sneaky bastards every chance we got. Back in the day Young Kelly might have found this super smexy. Old Kelly did not and will just go back to what she’s good at . . . .
Even though I failed at Forever …, this remains my favorite reading week of the entire year . . .
July 27, 2018
4 stars to Judy Blume for her fantastic portrayal of teen sexuality and relationships!
It's a bit dated, yes - very 70s - but I actually loved the nostalgic vibe. It reminded me a lot of The Perks of Being a Wallflower. And to be honest, the characters in this book are the most realistic teens I've read about in YA fiction in a long time. I would have loved to get my hands on this book when I was younger. Alas, I didn't know it existed.
In Forever... soon-to-be highschool graduates Katherine and Michael meet and fall in intense, ooey-gooey, and sometimes incredibly awkward teenage love. This is one of the only times I've read a book where the insta-love was believable. I felt this stuff when I was in highschool. It's easy for teens to become obsessive and dependant on a romantic relationship when they haven't really experienced it before and therefore don't have anything to compare it with.
I thought this book was really sex positive! It talks about birth control, condoms, STIs, and the importance of being able to say no. Many have said they were upset by Michael's behaviour but I think it was important to portray him in this light - teenage boys can be really pushy when it comes to sex. I certainly experienced it, and Katherine is very aware of it. I think the reader was supposed to feel uncomfortable, maybe in the hopes that they would be rooting for Katherine to stand her ground, which she does, and when she finally does have sex, she's happy with her decision.
Something else a lot of people have pointed out is that the sex is gross. But, hello! They're eighteen and they're having sex for the first time - it's supposed to be gross; your first time is not a fairy-tale. I had friends who were completely gutted because their first time wasn't what they expected it to be. It's important that we teach young people that first times (and second and third times) are awkward and there shouldn't be pressure for it to be "perfect." If you ask me, a lot of this pressure comes from the idea that you're supposed to be in love with someone. To each their own, but I'm a firm believer that the time is right when you feel ready, regardless of who it's with.
I really liked Katherine's parents as well. They weren't overprotective and they listened to what she had to say. They made their views known but they were incredibly patient and supportive. In the end they did make a decision for her which might have seemed unfair, but when your kid is ready to throw their future away over their highschool sweetheart, it's time to step it.
What I think I loved most about this book is that nobody was slut-shamed and nobody was ridiculed for being a virgin either. Sex is such an incredibly normal part of life. As an adult in a committed relationship, I am constantly baffled by how stressed out my friends and I used to be about sex. Who was having it, who wasn't having it, how many people you'd had it with... it can be such a blow to the self-esteem when you're younger and it shouldn't be that way.
Finally, the forever, of course, is not really forever. And that's okay! It's healthy and normal to have romantic relationships with different people. Overall this book is really quite sweet, and I'd be more than happy to have my future daughter read it.
It's a bit dated, yes - very 70s - but I actually loved the nostalgic vibe. It reminded me a lot of The Perks of Being a Wallflower. And to be honest, the characters in this book are the most realistic teens I've read about in YA fiction in a long time. I would have loved to get my hands on this book when I was younger. Alas, I didn't know it existed.
In Forever... soon-to-be highschool graduates Katherine and Michael meet and fall in intense, ooey-gooey, and sometimes incredibly awkward teenage love. This is one of the only times I've read a book where the insta-love was believable. I felt this stuff when I was in highschool. It's easy for teens to become obsessive and dependant on a romantic relationship when they haven't really experienced it before and therefore don't have anything to compare it with.
I thought this book was really sex positive! It talks about birth control, condoms, STIs, and the importance of being able to say no. Many have said they were upset by Michael's behaviour but I think it was important to portray him in this light - teenage boys can be really pushy when it comes to sex. I certainly experienced it, and Katherine is very aware of it. I think the reader was supposed to feel uncomfortable, maybe in the hopes that they would be rooting for Katherine to stand her ground, which she does, and when she finally does have sex, she's happy with her decision.
Something else a lot of people have pointed out is that the sex is gross. But, hello! They're eighteen and they're having sex for the first time - it's supposed to be gross; your first time is not a fairy-tale. I had friends who were completely gutted because their first time wasn't what they expected it to be. It's important that we teach young people that first times (and second and third times) are awkward and there shouldn't be pressure for it to be "perfect." If you ask me, a lot of this pressure comes from the idea that you're supposed to be in love with someone. To each their own, but I'm a firm believer that the time is right when you feel ready, regardless of who it's with.
I really liked Katherine's parents as well. They weren't overprotective and they listened to what she had to say. They made their views known but they were incredibly patient and supportive. In the end they did make a decision for her which might have seemed unfair, but when your kid is ready to throw their future away over their highschool sweetheart, it's time to step it.
What I think I loved most about this book is that nobody was slut-shamed and nobody was ridiculed for being a virgin either. Sex is such an incredibly normal part of life. As an adult in a committed relationship, I am constantly baffled by how stressed out my friends and I used to be about sex. Who was having it, who wasn't having it, how many people you'd had it with... it can be such a blow to the self-esteem when you're younger and it shouldn't be that way.
Finally, the forever, of course, is not really forever. And that's okay! It's healthy and normal to have romantic relationships with different people. Overall this book is really quite sweet, and I'd be more than happy to have my future daughter read it.
September 4, 2023
PERSONAL MUSINGS ON A CONTROVERSIAL FAVOURITE
I do have very many fond reading memories regarding Judy Blume's 1975 novel Forever. It has (ever since my first perusal of Forever at the age of fourteen in 1980) been a novel for me to appreciate and to also read over and over again, and especially so since Forever is even today (in 2023) still often considered so controversial and problematic with regard to Blume's thematics and contents that an unfortunately high number of IGNORAMUSES (often the puritanical religiously fanatical types, helicopter parents, brainless politicians, school board members etc.) continue to desire Forever to be universally banned, namely that these vile dicktators (sic, spelling is a very much and totally deliberate pun) want not simply their own children, their own teenagers to NOT be allowed to read Forever, but that they basically strive to undemocratically and dictatorially deny (like a bunch of Nazis or Stalinists) ALL children, ALL young adults across the board, the basic right of freedom of choice, the freedom to read. And please do bear with me if this review of Forever might not be as coherent and as "organised" as some of my other offerings (as I often do have issues posting about my personal favourites and that with many of my favourites books, I actually am much happier and more comfortable presenting general musings and personal, emotional reactions).
Now I remember first reading Forever in 1980 when I was in junior high school (in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, to be exact). It was all the rage in my class and since some of our teachers and even more parents were categorically against us reading Forever at school (or at all), this of course not only made Forever incredibly enticing, this also naturally made us clandestinely take copies of Forever to school, not only to read on the sly so to speak, but of course also to allow those classmates who were not allowed to read Forever at home the chance to do so at school (and I did get my first dose of respect from my erstwhile rather bullying classmates when they realised that I had actually managed to entice my mother to purchase a copy of Forever for me). But well, my mother truly believed that Forever was simply a novel about first love (and I definitely made sure not to mention in any way that Forever was considered quite massively controversial by many, including many of my teachers, because while my parents were generally not all that worried about my reading choices, as Germans of the immediate post WWII generation, they also at that time still had the unfortunate tendency to consider books deemed controversial by especially one's teachers, to be at best potentially problematic).
Indeed, truly, I do strongly (and with a sense of annoyance that has indeed lasted for decades) remember how everyone (from my teachers to even many of my classmates) were constantly talking and pontificating about all of the sexuality presented and featured by Judy Blume in Forever and especially the fact that Michael had named his phallus, almost as though the whole book, the whole novel was only, solely about sex, sex, and more sex. But to be honest, when I finally did read Forever, I really did not understand (and still do not quite understand) what all of the fuss was about. For Forever is most definitely NOT primarily about sex, it is about two teenagers falling in love, engaging in their first heavy duty relationship, and while sex is an important part of that relationship, it is by no means the only theme presented by Judy Blume. And in fact, I think the main points of consideration in Forever are the many interpersonal relationships, Katherine's relationship with Michael, her relationship with her friends and immediate family, and also importantly, the loving and sweetly nurturing, emotionally sustaining relationship Katherine has with her grandparents. And the silly and yes, majorly and utterly frustrating part about all these so-called do-gooders (well, they are actually quite the opposite, they are do-badders) who wanted to and still often continue to want to ban and/or censor Forever, is that their rantings somehow made (and continue to make) Blume's text appear as though it was (it is) some pornographic trash, when Forever is, in fact and for the most part, a tender and compassionate love story about teenage relationships, feelings, school, personal choices (puberty and all the ups and downs this can easily cause for both girls and boys). And after perusing a number of comments from individuals (parents, politicians etc.) and moronic "special interest" groups desiring to universally and categorically ban and censor Forever (and many of these unfortunately being nothing but rather offensive and braying rabidly creepy tirades) one of the main points of contention on which the latter always seem to harp like a bunch of squawking seagulls, is the possibility (and for them actually the absolute probability) that the sexuality, the sexual relationship between Katherine and Michael could (and generally would) entice especially female teenage readers into similar such relationships. But personally, I for one more than realised after reading Forever the first time, that my teenaged self was not in any way ready or even willing to engage in that kind of emotional, heavy and problematic sexual relationship, or any intense interpersonal non platonic relationship for that matter (and yes, even with those very few boys at school whom I actually found physically and emotionally attractive and interesting). For indeed, the candid way Judy Blume describes in Forever the ups and downs of Katherine and Michael's relationship, the massive responsibility required to prevent unwanted pregnancy (condoms, but particularly how the use of birth control pills is really seen as the sole responsibility of the woman, of the girl), and in particular Erica's cousin Sybil (an actual teenage pregnancy), this all made teenaged me totally realise that I absolutely wanted and needed to wait more than ANY sex education class, than ANY adult preaching abstinence, than ANY condemnation from conservative church groups could even REMOTELY have achieved.
But yes, when I was recently rereading Forever for something like the tenth time or so, I immediately did notice that while I am still absolutely loving and engaging with Katherine as a character, I do tend to now find Michael (and actually many if not even most of the presented teenaged male characters, including Michael's friend Artie) more than a bit lacklustre, basically stock-like, stereotypical, rather flatly conceptualised, less nuanced and developed, and thus also much less interesting and intriguing than particularly Katherine and her best friend friend Erica (and indeed, even Erica's cousin Sybil appears more fleshed out in Forever, and no pun is intended here). And I am not sure if this is a relevant or even a correct (and acceptable) observation, but I have actually always had somewhat of a feeling that Judy Blume often seems to do a better job depicting, writing about female characters than male characters, that her literary girls (such as Katherine, Margaret, Deenie, Karen etc.) are on the whole more nuanced and wholly believable than the majority of her male characters. And even as much as I have always enjoyed reading about Peter Hatcher and his annoying little brother Fudge in Tales of a Fourth Grade Nothing, I actually do tend to now think that Peter's nemesis Sheila Tubman is a much more interesting, more nuanced, albeit I agree, also massively and painfully annoying and infuriating character (and one I really do love to hate). Therefore, in Forever, both Michael and by extension his often depressed and lonely friend Artie are not nearly as complex and interestingly depicted, presented as Katherine, Erica, and even Katherine's kid sister Jamie. And then, when a basically flat and cardboard like character such as Artie is described by Judy Blume as having tried to commit suicide, you do end up with a bit of a potential problem. For Artie is simply not developed enough as a character; there is just not enough to him (and not enough of a backstory), and Artie’s suicide attempt in Forever, it thus does have the unfortunate tendency to feel a bit as being at least somewhat a tacked-on afterthought (which I actually find more potentially problematic and unnerving in and of itself than ANY of the scenarios in Forever dealing with sexuality and love making, and which I also only realised recently and not when I read Forever as a teenager).
So my original copy of Forver was a white paperback with a girl's picture encased in a simple locket as its front cover (but unfortunately it fell apart due to multiple rereadings), and in the more recent, more current paperback version I have now (and am reviewing) one can see that the cover image has two sets of legs on a bed (Katherine's and Michael's, I assume). And personally, I do tend to find said particular cover rather, no actually very much unfortunate and problematic, as it strengthens the presumption that the whole and entire plotline of Forever is about what goes on in the bedroom, that the novel is ONLY about sex, when it so clearly is not (it is about Michael and Katherine falling in love, and later falling out of love, and sexuality is simply part of that equation). And with regard to Judy Blume's featured themes and the issues presented in Forever, I tend to actually think that Katherine and Michael for the most part have a much healthier relationship than what is depicted in many more recent YA novels, certainly a lot healthier and normal than many of the rather shallow romances featured in series like Sweet Valley High and especially (and creepily) Twilight. They are perhaps a little too much into each other, but that is not abnormal and actually rather common in teenage romances. Neither Michael nor Katherine are (and fortunately) depicted Blume as being either monsters of depravity or paragons of virtue; they are just a pretty standard teenage couple experiencing their first heavy duty relationship (I think Michael is perhaps a bit more emotionally immature, as well as being a bit more sexually experienced than Katherine, but that is rather standard as well, unfortunately). Katherine and Michael thus (at least in my opinion) certainly do not have an inherently unhealthy relationship in Forever; they have a relatively normal teenage romance type of relationship, a love that in the end proves not to be as long-lasting, not as forever as both protagonists originally and fondly thought and hoped. Also and furthermore, I am (personally) unfailingly glad that Judy Blume has written Forever realistically, that she has not attempted to make either Katherine or Michael into some kind of teenage role models. For sometimes (and for me in fact often) you just want to (and need to) read a realistic story, an account that also does not shy away from showing the ups and downs, the problems and joys of being a teenager and experiencing love, lust and hormones. And this was (indeed) one of the main reasons I enjoyed Forever so much as a teenager (it presented an interesting and engaging narrative, spoke realistically to me, and covered areas and issues about which I would have felt massively weird and uncomfortable approaching and asking my parents, areas and issues that my parents also likely would not have enjoyed discussing with me either).
Finally (and perhaps also repetitively), I would like to just again reiterate the following once more. While I personally very much consider Judy Blume's Forever a wonderful and in many ways even an important novel, I do recognise the fact that it is controversial and that many actually despise Forever and consider it majorly anathema. But while I can both understand and even albeit a bit grudgingly appreciate this, I can NOT and will NOT accept in any manner, in any way, those individuals, those so-called special interest groups who (that) have over the years (and still) challenged the novel and attempted to have Forever banned, to have it removed from library shelves and so on and so on. Everyone has different tastes, and everyone also has different levels of reading comfort, of what he or she can textually handle, can accept in a book (and elsewhere). However, while a parent, while anyone might indeed have the right to monitor and even restrict his or her own child's reading choices, he or she does NOT or rather should NOT ever have the right (or even the presented legal opportunity) to impose this on others (book censorship, book banning, these are simply and profoundly dictatorial, and those who attempt to get books banned and censored are basically and for all intents and purposes undemocratic bullies, Fascist, Stalinist, you name it). So and frankly, those who want to have Forever censored or banned are a collective and dangerously ignorant threat (and they are basically profoundly and dangerously undemocratic in every way). And I will both gladly and with no shame or guilt whatsoever loudly call anyone in favour of censoring or wanting Forever universally banned or removed from schools and libraries are raging Nazi or Stalinist and right to their bigoted, ignorant faces as well (and since I also am of the firm opinion and belief that once children reach their teenage years, parents really should no longer have all that much of a right to restrict reading choices anymore anyhow, I also totally do not feel at all guilty in any way about during high school letting friends whose parents were actively preventing them from reading Forever at home peruse my personal copy of Forever at school, yay for rebellion, and I also encourage today's teenagers to actively and collectively rebel against not only their parents, but also against politicians, lawmakers, teachers, school board officials etc. who are banning books and more).
I do have very many fond reading memories regarding Judy Blume's 1975 novel Forever. It has (ever since my first perusal of Forever at the age of fourteen in 1980) been a novel for me to appreciate and to also read over and over again, and especially so since Forever is even today (in 2023) still often considered so controversial and problematic with regard to Blume's thematics and contents that an unfortunately high number of IGNORAMUSES (often the puritanical religiously fanatical types, helicopter parents, brainless politicians, school board members etc.) continue to desire Forever to be universally banned, namely that these vile dicktators (sic, spelling is a very much and totally deliberate pun) want not simply their own children, their own teenagers to NOT be allowed to read Forever, but that they basically strive to undemocratically and dictatorially deny (like a bunch of Nazis or Stalinists) ALL children, ALL young adults across the board, the basic right of freedom of choice, the freedom to read. And please do bear with me if this review of Forever might not be as coherent and as "organised" as some of my other offerings (as I often do have issues posting about my personal favourites and that with many of my favourites books, I actually am much happier and more comfortable presenting general musings and personal, emotional reactions).
Now I remember first reading Forever in 1980 when I was in junior high school (in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, to be exact). It was all the rage in my class and since some of our teachers and even more parents were categorically against us reading Forever at school (or at all), this of course not only made Forever incredibly enticing, this also naturally made us clandestinely take copies of Forever to school, not only to read on the sly so to speak, but of course also to allow those classmates who were not allowed to read Forever at home the chance to do so at school (and I did get my first dose of respect from my erstwhile rather bullying classmates when they realised that I had actually managed to entice my mother to purchase a copy of Forever for me). But well, my mother truly believed that Forever was simply a novel about first love (and I definitely made sure not to mention in any way that Forever was considered quite massively controversial by many, including many of my teachers, because while my parents were generally not all that worried about my reading choices, as Germans of the immediate post WWII generation, they also at that time still had the unfortunate tendency to consider books deemed controversial by especially one's teachers, to be at best potentially problematic).
Indeed, truly, I do strongly (and with a sense of annoyance that has indeed lasted for decades) remember how everyone (from my teachers to even many of my classmates) were constantly talking and pontificating about all of the sexuality presented and featured by Judy Blume in Forever and especially the fact that Michael had named his phallus, almost as though the whole book, the whole novel was only, solely about sex, sex, and more sex. But to be honest, when I finally did read Forever, I really did not understand (and still do not quite understand) what all of the fuss was about. For Forever is most definitely NOT primarily about sex, it is about two teenagers falling in love, engaging in their first heavy duty relationship, and while sex is an important part of that relationship, it is by no means the only theme presented by Judy Blume. And in fact, I think the main points of consideration in Forever are the many interpersonal relationships, Katherine's relationship with Michael, her relationship with her friends and immediate family, and also importantly, the loving and sweetly nurturing, emotionally sustaining relationship Katherine has with her grandparents. And the silly and yes, majorly and utterly frustrating part about all these so-called do-gooders (well, they are actually quite the opposite, they are do-badders) who wanted to and still often continue to want to ban and/or censor Forever, is that their rantings somehow made (and continue to make) Blume's text appear as though it was (it is) some pornographic trash, when Forever is, in fact and for the most part, a tender and compassionate love story about teenage relationships, feelings, school, personal choices (puberty and all the ups and downs this can easily cause for both girls and boys). And after perusing a number of comments from individuals (parents, politicians etc.) and moronic "special interest" groups desiring to universally and categorically ban and censor Forever (and many of these unfortunately being nothing but rather offensive and braying rabidly creepy tirades) one of the main points of contention on which the latter always seem to harp like a bunch of squawking seagulls, is the possibility (and for them actually the absolute probability) that the sexuality, the sexual relationship between Katherine and Michael could (and generally would) entice especially female teenage readers into similar such relationships. But personally, I for one more than realised after reading Forever the first time, that my teenaged self was not in any way ready or even willing to engage in that kind of emotional, heavy and problematic sexual relationship, or any intense interpersonal non platonic relationship for that matter (and yes, even with those very few boys at school whom I actually found physically and emotionally attractive and interesting). For indeed, the candid way Judy Blume describes in Forever the ups and downs of Katherine and Michael's relationship, the massive responsibility required to prevent unwanted pregnancy (condoms, but particularly how the use of birth control pills is really seen as the sole responsibility of the woman, of the girl), and in particular Erica's cousin Sybil (an actual teenage pregnancy), this all made teenaged me totally realise that I absolutely wanted and needed to wait more than ANY sex education class, than ANY adult preaching abstinence, than ANY condemnation from conservative church groups could even REMOTELY have achieved.
But yes, when I was recently rereading Forever for something like the tenth time or so, I immediately did notice that while I am still absolutely loving and engaging with Katherine as a character, I do tend to now find Michael (and actually many if not even most of the presented teenaged male characters, including Michael's friend Artie) more than a bit lacklustre, basically stock-like, stereotypical, rather flatly conceptualised, less nuanced and developed, and thus also much less interesting and intriguing than particularly Katherine and her best friend friend Erica (and indeed, even Erica's cousin Sybil appears more fleshed out in Forever, and no pun is intended here). And I am not sure if this is a relevant or even a correct (and acceptable) observation, but I have actually always had somewhat of a feeling that Judy Blume often seems to do a better job depicting, writing about female characters than male characters, that her literary girls (such as Katherine, Margaret, Deenie, Karen etc.) are on the whole more nuanced and wholly believable than the majority of her male characters. And even as much as I have always enjoyed reading about Peter Hatcher and his annoying little brother Fudge in Tales of a Fourth Grade Nothing, I actually do tend to now think that Peter's nemesis Sheila Tubman is a much more interesting, more nuanced, albeit I agree, also massively and painfully annoying and infuriating character (and one I really do love to hate). Therefore, in Forever, both Michael and by extension his often depressed and lonely friend Artie are not nearly as complex and interestingly depicted, presented as Katherine, Erica, and even Katherine's kid sister Jamie. And then, when a basically flat and cardboard like character such as Artie is described by Judy Blume as having tried to commit suicide, you do end up with a bit of a potential problem. For Artie is simply not developed enough as a character; there is just not enough to him (and not enough of a backstory), and Artie’s suicide attempt in Forever, it thus does have the unfortunate tendency to feel a bit as being at least somewhat a tacked-on afterthought (which I actually find more potentially problematic and unnerving in and of itself than ANY of the scenarios in Forever dealing with sexuality and love making, and which I also only realised recently and not when I read Forever as a teenager).
So my original copy of Forver was a white paperback with a girl's picture encased in a simple locket as its front cover (but unfortunately it fell apart due to multiple rereadings), and in the more recent, more current paperback version I have now (and am reviewing) one can see that the cover image has two sets of legs on a bed (Katherine's and Michael's, I assume). And personally, I do tend to find said particular cover rather, no actually very much unfortunate and problematic, as it strengthens the presumption that the whole and entire plotline of Forever is about what goes on in the bedroom, that the novel is ONLY about sex, when it so clearly is not (it is about Michael and Katherine falling in love, and later falling out of love, and sexuality is simply part of that equation). And with regard to Judy Blume's featured themes and the issues presented in Forever, I tend to actually think that Katherine and Michael for the most part have a much healthier relationship than what is depicted in many more recent YA novels, certainly a lot healthier and normal than many of the rather shallow romances featured in series like Sweet Valley High and especially (and creepily) Twilight. They are perhaps a little too much into each other, but that is not abnormal and actually rather common in teenage romances. Neither Michael nor Katherine are (and fortunately) depicted Blume as being either monsters of depravity or paragons of virtue; they are just a pretty standard teenage couple experiencing their first heavy duty relationship (I think Michael is perhaps a bit more emotionally immature, as well as being a bit more sexually experienced than Katherine, but that is rather standard as well, unfortunately). Katherine and Michael thus (at least in my opinion) certainly do not have an inherently unhealthy relationship in Forever; they have a relatively normal teenage romance type of relationship, a love that in the end proves not to be as long-lasting, not as forever as both protagonists originally and fondly thought and hoped. Also and furthermore, I am (personally) unfailingly glad that Judy Blume has written Forever realistically, that she has not attempted to make either Katherine or Michael into some kind of teenage role models. For sometimes (and for me in fact often) you just want to (and need to) read a realistic story, an account that also does not shy away from showing the ups and downs, the problems and joys of being a teenager and experiencing love, lust and hormones. And this was (indeed) one of the main reasons I enjoyed Forever so much as a teenager (it presented an interesting and engaging narrative, spoke realistically to me, and covered areas and issues about which I would have felt massively weird and uncomfortable approaching and asking my parents, areas and issues that my parents also likely would not have enjoyed discussing with me either).
Finally (and perhaps also repetitively), I would like to just again reiterate the following once more. While I personally very much consider Judy Blume's Forever a wonderful and in many ways even an important novel, I do recognise the fact that it is controversial and that many actually despise Forever and consider it majorly anathema. But while I can both understand and even albeit a bit grudgingly appreciate this, I can NOT and will NOT accept in any manner, in any way, those individuals, those so-called special interest groups who (that) have over the years (and still) challenged the novel and attempted to have Forever banned, to have it removed from library shelves and so on and so on. Everyone has different tastes, and everyone also has different levels of reading comfort, of what he or she can textually handle, can accept in a book (and elsewhere). However, while a parent, while anyone might indeed have the right to monitor and even restrict his or her own child's reading choices, he or she does NOT or rather should NOT ever have the right (or even the presented legal opportunity) to impose this on others (book censorship, book banning, these are simply and profoundly dictatorial, and those who attempt to get books banned and censored are basically and for all intents and purposes undemocratic bullies, Fascist, Stalinist, you name it). So and frankly, those who want to have Forever censored or banned are a collective and dangerously ignorant threat (and they are basically profoundly and dangerously undemocratic in every way). And I will both gladly and with no shame or guilt whatsoever loudly call anyone in favour of censoring or wanting Forever universally banned or removed from schools and libraries are raging Nazi or Stalinist and right to their bigoted, ignorant faces as well (and since I also am of the firm opinion and belief that once children reach their teenage years, parents really should no longer have all that much of a right to restrict reading choices anymore anyhow, I also totally do not feel at all guilty in any way about during high school letting friends whose parents were actively preventing them from reading Forever at home peruse my personal copy of Forever at school, yay for rebellion, and I also encourage today's teenagers to actively and collectively rebel against not only their parents, but also against politicians, lawmakers, teachers, school board officials etc. who are banning books and more).
June 1, 2011
2 stars for my own personal enjoyment of the story. It was outdated, but Judy Blume is a great storyteller. I can't really blame her too much for writing a book 30 years ago and it not feeling up to date now.
5 stars for the author telling a realistic story about a girl's first time with both falling in love and having sex. I loved that the teen boy could not make it more than a few seconds without finishing. I was nodding when the girl was disappointed with her first time. These are real things that happen. Not every experience is hearts and flowers, and the realism in this book was spot on.
I would recommend this book to any young girl who really wants to know what might happen their first time. So many books are a fun fantasy, which are fine for an escape, but this one is closer to the truth - at least for the first time. The fantasy comes later *grin*.
5 stars for the author telling a realistic story about a girl's first time with both falling in love and having sex. I loved that the teen boy could not make it more than a few seconds without finishing. I was nodding when the girl was disappointed with her first time. These are real things that happen. Not every experience is hearts and flowers, and the realism in this book was spot on.
I would recommend this book to any young girl who really wants to know what might happen their first time. So many books are a fun fantasy, which are fine for an escape, but this one is closer to the truth - at least for the first time. The fantasy comes later *grin*.
April 14, 2023
This is my second Judy Blume book. I did not like this one nearly as much as Are You There God, It's Me Margaret, but it had its moments. It was an honest portrayal of teenage love and two people having a serious relationship as seniors in high school, with descriptions of their sexual relationship included. Sometimes it felt like a description of issues by the numbers. I never felt the emotional attachment that I did with Margaret.
There were many things that resonated with my own youth as I had my first serious relationship start in the summer before my senior year in high school and I eventually marryied her before my senior year of uni. It was not to last, many reasons like what happens here. Worth a read. 3.5 stars. Library ebook, but GR wouldn't let me change the edition no matter how many times I tried.
There were many things that resonated with my own youth as I had my first serious relationship start in the summer before my senior year in high school and I eventually marryied her before my senior year of uni. It was not to last, many reasons like what happens here. Worth a read. 3.5 stars. Library ebook, but GR wouldn't let me change the edition no matter how many times I tried.
January 26, 2009
Forever By Judy Blume is another one of my favorite books. I read this book a million times, and it seems like when i read it, the story seems brand new to me. This book is about young love, something that all teens can relate to. Katherine is a young teen who is in high school. She is starting to get the experience of sex when she finds the love of her life, a boy name Michael. She doesn't want to loose her virginity for the satisfaction or curiosty, she really wants it to be right and special. She wants her relationship with Michael to have emotions attached to it.Katherine learns more than just what it means to have a sexual relationship. She matures through the process, gains confidence, and discovers that when one is young, sometimes "forever" does not mean the same thing as "everlasting." This is what the book means to me.
I learned alot from this book, it was something that i found very interesting. Teens deal with the curiosty of sex all the time, and they are afraid to say how and what they feel about it. Judy Blume is one of my favorite authors. I feel she knows how to address the topics or issues in which teens deal with. When this book was written, it caused alot of controversy. It was baned because, it was thought to not be appropriate for teens. The things that were being discussed in the book was in detail. I feel that teens need to read things that they can relate to because it lets them see that they aren't alone in the world, and they don't have to be afraid of what they think and feel.
I would reccomend this book to young adults, and even adults. Adults think they know everything, but they need to know that everything that they experienced a long time a go isn't the same. Things have changed alot from back then, there are brand new issues everyday with teens. And this book is perfect for young adults to get a greater look in the issues that they face everyday. I guarantee that reading this book will have you speechless. You won't want to put this book down. Sex is a big topic that is always presented as bad, and adults always persuade us not to do it. As teens we are going to want to do what we want, and we are much smarter than people think. Sex isn't bad, you just need to know how to protect yourself from STD's and Pregnancy. Enjoy the book!
I learned alot from this book, it was something that i found very interesting. Teens deal with the curiosty of sex all the time, and they are afraid to say how and what they feel about it. Judy Blume is one of my favorite authors. I feel she knows how to address the topics or issues in which teens deal with. When this book was written, it caused alot of controversy. It was baned because, it was thought to not be appropriate for teens. The things that were being discussed in the book was in detail. I feel that teens need to read things that they can relate to because it lets them see that they aren't alone in the world, and they don't have to be afraid of what they think and feel.
I would reccomend this book to young adults, and even adults. Adults think they know everything, but they need to know that everything that they experienced a long time a go isn't the same. Things have changed alot from back then, there are brand new issues everyday with teens. And this book is perfect for young adults to get a greater look in the issues that they face everyday. I guarantee that reading this book will have you speechless. You won't want to put this book down. Sex is a big topic that is always presented as bad, and adults always persuade us not to do it. As teens we are going to want to do what we want, and we are much smarter than people think. Sex isn't bad, you just need to know how to protect yourself from STD's and Pregnancy. Enjoy the book!
June 20, 2007
A rather lackluster narrative of a teen relationship, Forever is still noteworthy for a couple of reasons: 1. It's the first-written ya book I know of where the kids fall in love, make a responsible decision to have sex and neither is killed, maimed, impregnated or emotionally scarred for life. 2. Blume depicts two teens who fall in love with one another, have a fulfilling (if somewhat blah) relationship, and fall out of love. There's no patronizing insinuation that teens are too young to be in love, and no insistence that love is always forever.
September 24, 2019
Actual Rating: 2.25/5
I knew going into Forever… that it was about teenage sexuality; what I didn’t know was just how much it was going to be about that. And I mean: All. The. Time. It was to the point where it felt like Katherine didn’t have a personality; Michael came off as a major jerk because all he wanted was sex from Kath; the other characters were so unimportant and were only there to talk about sex; I forgot she even had a sister at one point…
The entire time Katherine was with Michael I wanted to literally shake her and say, “ABORT! LEAVE!” because of how awful this guy was. Seriously, he was just a big no-no. I’m tempted to make a new shelf on Goodreads and call it “terrible book boyfriends” and plop this book right in there, ‘cause Michael and how he pressured Katherine into everything had me fuming. Oh, and Kath’s “friends” were just as terrible and bland. Is this just me?
Simply said, I am not a fan of this book. The main reason I didn’t give this a one-star rating is because I did fly through it; partially because I was interested to see if somewhere it would redeem itself. It didn’t.
Either way, I’m still going to read some of Judy Bloome’s other novels in the future, because I’ve heard there's a few she's written that are much better than this one.
I knew going into Forever… that it was about teenage sexuality; what I didn’t know was just how much it was going to be about that. And I mean: All. The. Time. It was to the point where it felt like Katherine didn’t have a personality; Michael came off as a major jerk because all he wanted was sex from Kath; the other characters were so unimportant and were only there to talk about sex; I forgot she even had a sister at one point…
The entire time Katherine was with Michael I wanted to literally shake her and say, “ABORT! LEAVE!” because of how awful this guy was. Seriously, he was just a big no-no. I’m tempted to make a new shelf on Goodreads and call it “terrible book boyfriends” and plop this book right in there, ‘cause Michael and how he pressured Katherine into everything had me fuming. Oh, and Kath’s “friends” were just as terrible and bland. Is this just me?
Simply said, I am not a fan of this book. The main reason I didn’t give this a one-star rating is because I did fly through it; partially because I was interested to see if somewhere it would redeem itself. It didn’t.
Either way, I’m still going to read some of Judy Bloome’s other novels in the future, because I’ve heard there's a few she's written that are much better than this one.
May 9, 2024
I’ve begun winding my way through some teen/young adult books that I either missed while growing up or loved when growing up. Judy Blume’s Forever is a re-read for me and it certainly brought back memories of growing into adulthood during the 1970s and 80s. JB was an author we teenage girls could always count on to walk us through topics and situations when we were afraid to ask our parents. And while the dialogue between the fictional characters in this story seemed naive and immature in parts, so much of it reminded me of what I was like as a 17 year old getting ready to head off to college. Not sure how well this story works for teenagers today as high schoolers just seem much more savvy than I was back then.
Loved rereading this beautiful story. 4 ⭐️ ⭐️⭐️⭐️
Loved rereading this beautiful story. 4 ⭐️ ⭐️⭐️⭐️
May 22, 2017
Wow, finally a book by Blume I didn't enjoy or think was well done. This is a famous piece of hers because of the controversy of underage sex during dating. It has been frequently banned. It's one that has eluded my collection for years and once I finally found it, read it quickly but was left disappointed.
Blume is usually pro at weaving realistic situations, writing emotional depth convincingly, and propelling average stories forever with oomph, but here it all fell short. It felt too forced, as if it was something she was trying to write about but missed the mark on. Despite the heavy subject matter, the language was too simplistic and empty for what it accomplished, unconvincing.
In times past this was an important, controversial book. Sex among teens in books now isn't as taboo and the world is more jaded. Back then a lot of kids needed a respectful fiction source to go to about sex, experiences, and questions. This did fill that purpose then, even if I still think the writing was lackluster and didn't enjoy the characterization/events.
Love was supposed to be the driving factor, but the relationship seemed stale, forced, and not realistic to how seventeen year olds feel. Some of the dialogue was cheesy and almost like reading a guide.
The ending left a bad taste in my mouth. It was predictable - realistic even - but it felt out there without any substance and irked me emotionally. Kathy's parents were particularly obnoxious and I would have rebelled at that age with the kind of control they were trying to exert. So, an important book for its time and while the theme hasn't diminished, I don't think the writing was stellar nor the protagonist realistic.
Blume is usually pro at weaving realistic situations, writing emotional depth convincingly, and propelling average stories forever with oomph, but here it all fell short. It felt too forced, as if it was something she was trying to write about but missed the mark on. Despite the heavy subject matter, the language was too simplistic and empty for what it accomplished, unconvincing.
In times past this was an important, controversial book. Sex among teens in books now isn't as taboo and the world is more jaded. Back then a lot of kids needed a respectful fiction source to go to about sex, experiences, and questions. This did fill that purpose then, even if I still think the writing was lackluster and didn't enjoy the characterization/events.
Love was supposed to be the driving factor, but the relationship seemed stale, forced, and not realistic to how seventeen year olds feel. Some of the dialogue was cheesy and almost like reading a guide.
The ending left a bad taste in my mouth. It was predictable - realistic even - but it felt out there without any substance and irked me emotionally. Kathy's parents were particularly obnoxious and I would have rebelled at that age with the kind of control they were trying to exert. So, an important book for its time and while the theme hasn't diminished, I don't think the writing was stellar nor the protagonist realistic.
January 15, 2008
What I learned: If you are going to have sex, use birth control. Your first love, no matter how passionate, probably isn't your true love.
I remember this one with fondness because there were about three copies going around when I was in 7th grade. We read it, passed in on to the next girl, who in turn passed it on. Every 12-13 year old girl in my class read it sometime that year and it was something we all had in common. I suppose, now that I think about it, the reason we shared the books is that many of us, growing up the conservative Bible-Belt South of my childhood, were afraid to ask our parents to buy us a book in which a teenager had s-e-x. We were all desperately curious about it and wanted to learn something, anything, about why you might want to have sex, what it would be like, could you 'do it' and still be a good person? Thank you Judy Blume, for this book.
I remember this one with fondness because there were about three copies going around when I was in 7th grade. We read it, passed in on to the next girl, who in turn passed it on. Every 12-13 year old girl in my class read it sometime that year and it was something we all had in common. I suppose, now that I think about it, the reason we shared the books is that many of us, growing up the conservative Bible-Belt South of my childhood, were afraid to ask our parents to buy us a book in which a teenager had s-e-x. We were all desperately curious about it and wanted to learn something, anything, about why you might want to have sex, what it would be like, could you 'do it' and still be a good person? Thank you Judy Blume, for this book.
April 30, 2018
Category is: Re-read review extravaganza
Julie and I have done a few trashy buddy reads now, and thus far the results have been grim (*cough cough* Flowers in the Attic, *throws up in mouth a little* Fear of Flying.)
This book (which is NOT trashy; sorry to drag you into our degeneracy, Judy) more or less held up though. Rather than recycle my original review below, here are some random, additional thoughts:
• I was surprised at how affecting I still found this story despite dialogue like this:
When you are young and in love, who needs snappy dialogue I guess. Juno this ain't.
• Despite being written in 1975, which seems unbelievable, it otherwise feels very modern other than small, obvious things like the lack of omnipresent cell phones.
• Katherine's trip to Planned Parenthood is at first look a bit pedantic and literal, but I reminded myself it's not written for adults. It's written for teenage girls, and is thus timelessly useful. Reading this book demystifies the experience and lets girls know they can go to PP without having their parents called, being slut shamed, or getting their eggs stolen and sold to Scrambler Marie's, or whatever the right wing conspiracy theory du jour is now.
• In my adult perspective, I can't tell if Michael is written as a teenage boy who can't express himself yet, or Katherine is just a lot smarter than he is. Their relationship has sweet moments, but reading it at 49 versus 16 I completely understand why her parents thought it wouldn't last.
I feel like this may kick off a Judy Blume re-reading binge.
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Original review:
I still have mad affection for this book although I suspect I've wildly overrated it due to my fond memories of passing it back and forth in gym class many years ago. Alas, I loaned it to my cousin Karen in the 9th grade only to have her mother discover it and demand to know where it came from ("Nessa" Karen replied. Needless to say, I never got that book back. And evidently I am still bitter.)
This isn't Blume's best book and certainly will be a shock to those expecting something along the lines of "Superfudge." But it is a sweet and unblinkingly rendered story of teen love and, yes, sexuality. A few parts of the book are admittedly silly-I've never met a man who introduced his privates to me by name, thankfully-the trajectory of Katherine and Michael's relationship is rendered with painful honesty. Blume's ability to get in the head of her young characters without condescension is what makes her so exceptional. I say without irony that I love you Judy Blume, wherever you are.
Julie and I have done a few trashy buddy reads now, and thus far the results have been grim (*cough cough* Flowers in the Attic, *throws up in mouth a little* Fear of Flying.)
This book (which is NOT trashy; sorry to drag you into our degeneracy, Judy) more or less held up though. Rather than recycle my original review below, here are some random, additional thoughts:
• I was surprised at how affecting I still found this story despite dialogue like this:
As soon as we were outside and away from the house we kissed. "I had to get out of there," Michael told me. "All I could think about was being alone with you."
"I know," I said, "...same here."
We held hands as we walked. "I've never seen so many stars," I said.
"That's because it's so dark and clear...no city lights, no traffic, no pollution..."
"I love to look at stars."
"I love to look at you."
"Oh, Michael...come on..."
When you are young and in love, who needs snappy dialogue I guess. Juno this ain't.
• Despite being written in 1975, which seems unbelievable, it otherwise feels very modern other than small, obvious things like the lack of omnipresent cell phones.
• Katherine's trip to Planned Parenthood is at first look a bit pedantic and literal, but I reminded myself it's not written for adults. It's written for teenage girls, and is thus timelessly useful. Reading this book demystifies the experience and lets girls know they can go to PP without having their parents called, being slut shamed, or getting their eggs stolen and sold to Scrambler Marie's, or whatever the right wing conspiracy theory du jour is now.
• In my adult perspective, I can't tell if Michael is written as a teenage boy who can't express himself yet, or Katherine is just a lot smarter than he is. Their relationship has sweet moments, but reading it at 49 versus 16 I completely understand why her parents thought it wouldn't last.
I feel like this may kick off a Judy Blume re-reading binge.
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Original review:
I still have mad affection for this book although I suspect I've wildly overrated it due to my fond memories of passing it back and forth in gym class many years ago. Alas, I loaned it to my cousin Karen in the 9th grade only to have her mother discover it and demand to know where it came from ("Nessa" Karen replied. Needless to say, I never got that book back. And evidently I am still bitter.)
This isn't Blume's best book and certainly will be a shock to those expecting something along the lines of "Superfudge." But it is a sweet and unblinkingly rendered story of teen love and, yes, sexuality. A few parts of the book are admittedly silly-I've never met a man who introduced his privates to me by name, thankfully-the trajectory of Katherine and Michael's relationship is rendered with painful honesty. Blume's ability to get in the head of her young characters without condescension is what makes her so exceptional. I say without irony that I love you Judy Blume, wherever you are.
September 6, 2007
Nope. Didn't like this one either. Another YA Lit book read for class. I guess I didn't like it for two main reasons. First, the boyfriend is a completely flat character; from what the author shows/tells you of him (which is pretty much nothing save a bit of whining) you really can't figure out what all the fuss is about. I felt more toward Theo in the ten or so pages devoted to him than I did for whats-his-name (I literally can't remember even though I read it yesterday, so I guess that helps prove my point) who starred in the entire book.
Secondly, it was predictable. I mean really, really predictable. Maybe if, for even a short, fleeting moment I had thought that maybe those two crazy kids would survive seven whole weeks apart, I would have had some emotional investment. But, as it was terribly obvious they would not and that her parents would be right/there would be some teary breakup scene, I felt more like "well, yeah" than "oh no! what a terrible thing for her" when it did.
Kinda boring and a little too movie-of-the-week. Oh - and my third rant: the heroine of the story seems just about as dumb as a post.
Secondly, it was predictable. I mean really, really predictable. Maybe if, for even a short, fleeting moment I had thought that maybe those two crazy kids would survive seven whole weeks apart, I would have had some emotional investment. But, as it was terribly obvious they would not and that her parents would be right/there would be some teary breakup scene, I felt more like "well, yeah" than "oh no! what a terrible thing for her" when it did.
Kinda boring and a little too movie-of-the-week. Oh - and my third rant: the heroine of the story seems just about as dumb as a post.
June 11, 2009
This book was recommended to me and therefore I was very surprised that it wasn't very good. I don't care about the explicit nature of it. In fact, sex scenes were the only ones that kept me remotely interested in the story. Book just wasn't written that well. Language was overly simplistic, there was no depth to the story. Even at 17 there is more to a teenager's emotions than: I like the guy, he is nice, I want to have sex with him, I love him, etc. Plus, the relationship described fell flat, too. There was nothing to it, no love, no infatuation, just sex.
July 1, 2016
5 Words: Sex, sex, sex, sex, sex.
Seriously, that's all this book seemed to be about. Sex. I've read New Adult with much less sex and we all know what that genre can be like.
I didn't connect with the characters, I couldn't really relate to them much. I think it had to do with how sex-obsessed they were.
I don't feel I can write a full review for this, it didn't really leave me feeling anything at all. All I really did while reading it was roll my eyes.
Seriously, that's all this book seemed to be about. Sex. I've read New Adult with much less sex and we all know what that genre can be like.
I didn't connect with the characters, I couldn't really relate to them much. I think it had to do with how sex-obsessed they were.
I don't feel I can write a full review for this, it didn't really leave me feeling anything at all. All I really did while reading it was roll my eyes.
January 11, 2022
Read for my MLIS elective
I really don't know how to feel about this book tbh. But I understand why it's banned/challenged a LOT and the significant contributions Blume made to the YA genre. It's a work that openly discusses and depicts (as realistically as someone can) safe sex, birth control, Planned Parenthood (which doesn't kill babies @ Republicans), and teenagers being, well, teenagers, so I won't hate on it too much.
Content warning: attempted suicide, (emotional) cheating, sexual content (surprisingly explicit 😳), fatphobia, death of a loved one
I really don't know how to feel about this book tbh. But I understand why it's banned/challenged a LOT and the significant contributions Blume made to the YA genre. It's a work that openly discusses and depicts (as realistically as someone can) safe sex, birth control, Planned Parenthood (which doesn't kill babies @ Republicans), and teenagers being, well, teenagers, so I won't hate on it too much.
Content warning: attempted suicide, (emotional) cheating, sexual content (surprisingly explicit 😳), fatphobia, death of a loved one
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